'Let a civil war break out in America, where everyone will kill each other': Putin's strategist Aleksandr Dugin
Alexander Dugin - about peace with Ukraine, a big war with the West and the future of Russia
V. Alfimov:
- Hello, dear friends. Welcome to Radio Komsomolskaya Pravda. I am Valentin Alfimov. Today our guest is Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin . Alexander Gelyevich, hello.
A. Dugin:
- Hello.
V. Alfimov:
- Aleksandr Gelyevich, we have a lot of topics. Well, let's start with what worries, of course, every Russian. Of course. Many are now talking about negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. And here Zelensky even said the day before that this year it is necessary to prepare the basis for peace between Russia and Ukraine. Our position is known. The President has spoken about this more than once and Peskov confirmed it. But, apparently, everything is moving towards a halt along the front line. And then what? It is clear that Ukraine will be armed, the rest of Ukraine. They will arm, train, set them against us. And what should we do? Because they will terrorize us. They will terrorize our new regions. We have seen this many times. They terrorize us here, inside the country, and you know this better than anyone else. Your daughter Darya was killed, this turned the whole country upside down. And the West did not notice it. What should we do?
A. Dugin:
- First of all, you know, there is such a thing as a secret in the negotiation process. When Putin proposed our conditions on the eve of the meeting in Switzerland, he said that it was now. And in 15 minutes, if I do not receive an immediate answer, it will be different. He did not receive an answer, this proposal was ignored. Therefore, next time, Putin warned, the conditions will be much tougher. We will demand not only four regions and, naturally, recognition of Crimea, but something else. I think that as soon as the West ignored the proposal of our president, our substantive side of the platform on which we are ready to discuss the cessation of hostilities, it has already changed. And now we will explain, our president will tell what he thinks now, already at the next turn.
Further. The West and Ukraine are absolutely not ready to seriously consider our president's proposals. No scenario, even remotely close to what might suit us, will be offered to us. Therefore, I think that we are now pursuing an absolutely correct policy. We must demonstrate to the entire world that we are open to peace talks. But on our terms. This is also emphasized. On our terms. And what are our terms? Fulfillment, in fact, of the goals of the special military operation. Complete capitulation of Kyiv, change of Nazi leadership and demilitarization, refusal to join NATO, with recognition of four regions along their geographical borders as Russian territory. This includes Zaporozhye, this includes Kherson. And this is the minimum with which we are ready to begin negotiations and stop hostilities.
Accordingly, if you understand what is happening in the West and what is happening in Kyiv, it is obvious that any politician there will not discuss this with us today. And on lesser terms it is absolutely unprofitable for us, there is no need, there is no reason to suspend military actions. Simply because now we are liberating our territories, and if all this continues, then we will be forced to liberate, and we are preparing for this, Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Kyiv and the western regions. War so war, peace so peace. Either on our terms, or war as it turns out. And in this regard, the fundamental crisis, which we see in the form of the war that has essentially begun in the Middle East between Israel and the Shiite world, the collapse of Western stock exchanges and the stock market, the fall of the same bitcoin. In fact, protests and unrest in all Western societies, the complete collapse of the unipolar Western world and the brewing civil war in the United States itself between supporters of Biden and Kamala Harris. Are these the conditions under which we should grant our enemy a truce? Everything is going in our direction.
Therefore, forget about any kind of truce. Of course, the president, Lavrov and Peskov should talk about this to show Russia's good will, but only an offensive and victory - that's our agenda. I am still amazed at how often we fail to separate the external discourse from the internal discourse. Internally - mobilization, victory, a dash forward, an offensive, preparation of all internal resources for this - both material and spiritual. That's what our society should hear. The West should hear what it will not hear anyway. It will hear that we are offering a truce, peace. And let it hear, it will not accept it anyway. But internally, knowing that it will not accept it, and that we are giving the West certain signals in order to have the image of a peacemaker who has no influence on anyone at all, but we think so, we do so, but the internal message of our policy is completely different - victory, victory and only victory, otherwise nothing.
We need to learn to make this division and to be very calm about the peace-loving statements of our government. If it makes them, then they are needed. But inside, only strengthening and strengthening of our position will follow, until the final victory. And then there will be peace. In order for there to be peace, we need to take Kyiv and liberate the west of Ukraine from the Nazi regime. After that, a truce, peace.
V. Alfimov:
- Aleksandr Gelievich, I am amazed by your talent to answer all my questions in the first answer, in essence. But please allow me to explain each one in more detail, and ask additional questions. Look, let's first talk about our internal part. It is absolutely obvious that we need to learn the lessons of the special military operation. It is clear that we need to rebuild industry, we need to rebuild the army. But what to do with the economy, what to do with the social sphere? We spend huge amounts of money to support the fighters, to support the people who work here, in the rear. Some work for victory, some just work. What to do?
A. Dugin:
- This is also a philosophical question. In fact, this is a question of economic sovereignty. If we are convinced liberals, globalists, then our economy is part of the world economy and depends on it. Therefore, for example, issues of emission, issues of wealth, issues of money are directly related to the global market. If we produce goods or services, or supply natural resources that are quoted on a global scale, we are rich. If we do not supply, we are poor. But this is so only if we accept Western criteria. In fact, whether we are rich or not, the procedure for calculating this fact depends on whether we recognize the global metric in the economy or not. If we recognize it, then we are no longer sovereign. There is no longer any talk of sovereignty. But if we are sovereign, then, on the contrary, we need to change our economic consciousness. There are other criteria for calculating what we can and cannot do. There are other rules on how, for example, the emission of national currency can be carried out without it causing inflation. From the point of view of liberalism, there are no such means. More national emission, more inflation. Why? Because of the attachment to the world currency reserve system, to the world reserve currency, because of the recognition of the protocols and rules of the West, which, by the way, are changing. That is why national emission leads directly to inflation. And we cannot increase the amount of, for example, printed money to help the army, since we depend on global markets controlled by the West. That is the problem.
And if in the matter of conducting a military operation, if in the matter of now focusing on patriotism we are gradually getting out of this dependence on the West, we are breaking the codes imposed on us, then in the economic sphere we are doing very well so far, but this is only import substitution, in fact, this is a temporary measure. We are postponing the inevitable economic transformations in favor of a completely different sovereign economic thought, simply patching up the holes, and still recognizing the Western model. This sovereignization of economic consciousness is what lies ahead of us. The same is true in the social sphere. By the way, since Soviet times we have not completely destroyed the social sphere, we have destroyed it, destroyed it, destroyed it, we have decomposed all social institutions, especially vigorously in the 90s. But in fact, even despite these 30 years of anti-social policy, generally liberal, we have preserved something. And now this decoupling is a very important term. Today I published an article in RIA Novosti. I gave it the title "Decoupling", the editors changed it, they considered it too complicated, but it is the main term. Decoupling means breaking the dependence of one system on another. This is what we have to do now - decoupling. We have to break the couple - the West and us - in all directions. We really broke this couple, we carried out decoupling in the military sphere, in politics, in traditional values. Because if we were connected with that system, we were obliged to hold gay parades and allow LGBT marches in Moscow and in all the cities of our country. In this sphere, in the sphere of values, we did not carry out decoupling. We broke this couple. In the sphere of economic thinking and in the sphere of social policy - not yet. But this means that we have to do it.
V. Alfimov:
- On our air we mention the LGBT community, which, let me remind you, is banned in Russia.
A. Dugin:
- The question of how much material resources and money we have to support the army, for example, depends on how we count. If we count correctly, we will have them. For example, there are several solutions. The first is the state power index, which is being introduced now, creating a completely different global ranking of states, because it calculates the most important things. Those that are not taken into account in the Western, liberal model. This is territory, air, resources, nature, which are worth nothing from the point of view of Western metrics, but which in fact have colossal significance. We fight for them, and die for them, we pay for this with blood. Therefore, they cannot be insignificant factors.
Or, for example, Galushka's model of dual-loop financing, where we allocate a special escrow account to finance strategic projects, and the money from there almost never gets into the average consumer market. In this way, the threat of inflation is suppressed or slowed down. Now we are solving the threat of inflation in a completely liberal way - we simply raise the refinancing rate. But this is a liberal method. And there is also an illiberal one. And we cannot dare to use an illiberal one yet. But I think there is a time for everything, and our patriotic economists are working in this direction. In this direction, I think, the figure of Andrei Removich Belousov is also very important. He was practically the main representative of this sovereign economy in our government. Now he heads, probably, the most important direction - the Ministry of Defense. But his economic views are life-saving. Simply life-saving and inevitable for our country, if we want to win, and we want to win. Therefore, sooner or later, decoupling in the sphere of economic thought and restructuring of the Russian economy on modern lines will necessarily occur.
V. Alfimov:
- Let's go into a little more detail about this decoupling. Look, we understand that no one will give up sanctions, even when there is peace. When everything stops, when we win the special military operation, no one will give up sanctions. It turns out that we are now supposed to live with them for the rest of our lives, right? This will not just be a demarcation, but a watershed that will make even the Iron Curtain of the Soviet Union seem like a mosquito net. It turns out - that's it, the final watershed, the demarcation with the West? All we have left is the East and the South, and that's it? And this is forever?
A. Dugin:
- Yes, forever, or we need a different West. With this West - forever. If it holds out for some time, then forever. For as long as it remains the way it is now. But this West, being separated from us, from the rest of the world, it is gradually turning all other civilizations against itself now, this West itself will either fall into the abyss that it is digging for itself, or it will change. And if it changes, then along with these changes the sanctions will collapse and disappear. But it will be a different West. And we will build relations with it on completely different principles. Decoupling is irreversible. We are breaking the Russia-West pair. The West is no longer a universal metric, a universal standard, a universal benchmark for us. We have our own civilization, our own traditional values. And this does not depend on sanctions at all. Sanctions helped us return to ourselves. We are beginning to see ourselves as an absolutely sovereign, autarkic, independent, powerful civilizational bloc. We have excellent relations with non-Western countries even now, under such pressure. And if we hold out, we are simply changing the architecture of the world.
Therefore, it is not only we who are decoupling. The Chinese are also preparing for decoupling. The Islamic world exists practically in a state of such decoupling at the ideological level. India is facing it. The anti-colonialist struggle is at a new level, there is decoupling in Africa. Latin America, which is becoming more and more aware of its independence, is decoupling. BRICS is decoupling. The West still plays a very important role. That is, this decoupling has not been accomplished. But when it reaches its critical point of irreversibility, that's it. How the West treats us will no longer matter. If it is at war, then we will fight with it, if it is friends, then it will be friends on the terms that are beneficial to our civilization or our civilizations. We must actually bring down the West now, deprive it of its crown, deprive it of the right to determine all world politics. The West is no longer a leader, we have challenged it. No one should obey it anymore, that's it.
Of course, in the West they ask: was it possible? Yes, it is possible. Putin's answer: it is possible. Xi Jinping's answer: it is possible. Yes, it is possible. We are decoupling, and we must prepare to live on the planet Russia. We are now a planet. We are now space Russia. And let us study ourselves better and also those friends, those friendly civilizations that are alongside us, with whom we border.
V. Alfimov:
- You noted, Aleksandr Gelyevich, that the West has two paths. Either it will fail, or it will change. But what will happen in reality? What is the future of the West, the future of Europe? Germany is already dying without our resources, we see it. France is not doing well either. Will they shrink completely, forgive me for my poverty of speech, or will they scrape by at the expense of the same Ukraine, at the expense of expansion into Ukraine, at the expense of its resources, people, and so on?
A. Dugin:
- What resources does Ukraine have? It is now a country that is completely in smoking ruins. Then, it is our territory. It is the same as saying about them, say, "they will float at the expense of some not very rich African country." Yes, of course not. The West is finished. It is like a wounded dragon, it has nuclear weapons, and, realizing that it is dying, and it is dying... The Economist magazine is very realistic, it simply describes the scenario of the death of the West. This August, a crisis begins, this crisis sweeps away the entire Western economy, all Western power. Through the catastrophe, we come to a multipolar world, which is inevitable. For us, this is a chance.
Why should we worry - will Germany cope without our gas or not? Let them disappear, let them collapse, let them be eaten by brutal migrants, whom they will help, like in Britain. Let a civil war break out in America, where everyone will kill each other. They have already made a very realistic film about this. One step remains until the implementation of the same scenarios. Just one step. Maybe this fall it will all begin. Because the contradictions between the supporters of Harris and Trump are a confrontation of two worlds. Because some are for Christian values, others for LGBT, some for the American state, others for the global one. They are opposite in everything now. And they already see each other through the sights of a gun. A civil war in America will definitely begin. Sooner or later. Well, thank God for that. Let them disappear, let them shoot each other, let them die of cold and hunger. These people have declared war on us and are waging it with our own hands, because Ukraine is our damned part, simply crazy Russians, in fact, our brothers. We are fighting with our possessed ones, with our brothers, because a brother or sister can also go crazy. And what to do?
And they encourage this disease, they set this possessed relative on their family. They are so guilty, that's what I want to say, the West is guilty in relation to us. And, of course, it is not our concern to save it. But if some more or less traditional systems are established there, like, for example, in Slovakia or Hungary, under Orban, if conservatives come to power, like Vance and Trump in America, then we will reconsider our relations. And how will they, for starters, pay us reparations for the damage they caused us by starting this war. We will impose sanctions on this West. We will sell our gas, our oil at huge prices. People who were somehow noticed in anti-Russian propaganda, we will demand that they be extradited and sent to Belarus for a fair trial, or to North Korea, or somewhere else. But we will not be able to come to this fair and correct multipolar world so peacefully, quietly, calmly. Therefore, we need to think now about the long-term mobilization of our society.
We have entered an era of great wars. And the war in Ukraine is only one of them. Maybe the first. Now, before our eyes, a second powerful war is about to begin - in the Middle East. In Gaza, in fact, it is ongoing, it is simply expanding. Next - Taiwan. What is happening in Bangladesh? Bangladesh is being taken away from India's influence, also global processes. Now we are entering an era of great wars, during which the transition from unipolarity to multipolarity will take place. This cannot be avoided. Ukraine is only a part. For us, this is probably the most important thing. But in general, on a global scale, this is only a part. But when we defeat the West, when the West either fails or changes, we will think anew. For now - a total anti-Western attitude. Now we need to think only about how to defeat the West. First of all, in Ukraine. But then - everywhere.
V. Alfimov:
- Aleksandr Gelievich, "if there is at least one righteous person in this city, then I will save this city." It was not me who said this, we all know this very well. And in Europe, at least it seems to us from here that there are sane people, about whom you, among others, just spoke. Viktor Orban is the Prime Minister of Hungary, Robert Fico is the Prime Minister of Slovakia, on whom a terrible assassination attempt was made. At least during her election campaign, Marine Le Pen also showed common sense. What will happen to them? Will they be crushed? Or do they have a chance?
A. Dugin:
- Well, first of all, this is definitely not our main task. If the West is about to fall into the abyss, we will extend a hand to those who want to get out, but we cannot take responsibility for them. We are not God, we are only Russians. And we must take responsibility for ourselves, for Ukraine, for the post-Soviet space, for the construction of a multipolar world. And, of course, send a signal of friendliness and support to all the forces of tradition, all opponents of globalization and the satanic elite that seized power in the West. All those who fight the globalists are, in fact, our Eurasian partisans. In fact, the globalists accuse them of this. You will not believe it, but in America, during Trump's first presidency, he was accused of being my follower. Now they are starting to say the same thing about Vance. As for the conservatives, everyone in Europe says that they are also under the ideological influence of Dugin and under the political influence of Putin. Look how many tons of paper the globalists have spent to claim this. Of course, it's all wrong. But the thing is, they see where the threat comes from. From Putin and Russia, who are asserting their sovereignty, from right-wing populists and conservatives within these societies themselves. From some leftists, by the way, who are also opponents of globalism. And they are also considered our agents.
In fact, wherever those forces in the West turn who want an alternative, who want to preserve some kind of normality, they fall into the category of Russian spies. Instantly. And 99 percent of the time it is wrong. Maybe among them there is some one percent of truly successful operations of our special services. And God grant that there are more of them. But I, knowing these people, I mean Western conservatives, many of them personally, I think that they are completely sincere people. After all, we do not work here at all. We could and should, but we do not work, because we have not decoupled in this area either - in the sphere of intelligence. We are afraid to truly pursue our line in other societies. But I think that we will extend a hand of salvation to them. But not in such a way that they drag us to hell along with this hand, so that they spit in it and so that we save toxic formations in the form of the modern West. The modern West must be destroyed. And if there are healthy forces that transform it from within, great, we will help them. But even in this case, even if these wonderful conservatives and supporters of traditional values come to power in the West during a civil war or in some other way, civilizational differences will still remain.
We can and will have to establish some friendly, partnership relations with them, but with a different West, with a West of traditional values, with a West that will ban LGBT, imprison its transgenders, ban and punish for the profanation of sacred symbols at the opening of sporting events, as was the case at the Paris Olympics. If this other, alternative West, completely unknown to us today, establishes itself, even in this case decoupling is necessary. It will be a different civilization, we will go there, see how nice it is there, invite them to us so that they too can dance with a bear, play the balalaika, eat a pickle with vodka somewhere in -50 degrees of frost in Rostov, where there is no minus. Isn't that how they imagine all this? Well, that's good. I'm saying that they have this idea that here we have snow, bears, balalaikas, beautiful women and vodka.
In fact, it's good that they have such an image, let them come and enjoy it. Indeed, it is possible to select some regions in our homeland, for example, in the north, that correspond to this description. It is possible to build something like this specifically in Russia for the future West, so that they would find the image that they themselves have invented. Just such a specific territory somewhere in Siberia. There will be a trip to the GULAG, the country of the GULAG, the hotel "GULAG", where they will go, live, and see Russia in all its glory. But they will be different. That is where decoupling comes in, decoupling is irreversible.
The West has ceased to be a universal model for us. And not only for us. And therefore, when we study the West now, we must add the term "Westernological" to it; we study the West as something different. And therefore Westernological sociology, Westernological political science, Westernological economics. This economics is not just economics. Today, we take an economics textbook. It contains a purely Western understanding of economics, and we study and teach others using this textbook. Now there will be a Westernological economics - an economy that was created in the West, developed in the West, and is used in the West. And now there is a real economy - sovereign, Russian. Another textbook, another approach. Here is decoupling - we make two from one textbook. One is Westernological, the other is our own. Our own has yet to be written.
V. Alfimov:
- Will this bipolar system come into being? Can it appear? It is clear that on one side there will be the USA, Canada, Australia and their allies. On the other side - us, China, Iran. Will we be able to create a second center of power on Earth? Because the same China, if you look at it now, it sells its copters to us and to Ukraine. And not only does it sell them to us, it also puts a spoke in the wheel with the calculations. Some kind of friend is he not really our friend?
A. Dugin:
- And we don’t need to couple with China. Multipolarity is when we decouple with everyone. First of all, with the West, because it has entered us deeper than others, so this is the most serious decoupling. But in general, we don’t need to exchange worship of the West for worship of China or India, the Islamic world. We must return to self-sufficiency, to ideological, economic, technological autarky. We must create everything we need ourselves. And then, when we are strong, both China and any other pole will reckon with us. This is not about creating a bipolar system. We must build a multipolar world, where different poles will have their pluses and minuses, and there will be no one among them, including China, that will lay claim to hegemony.
The meaning of decoupling is to build a multipolar world without a hegemon, without a leader, without direct opposition. Today, we are only talking about taming the demonic, Luciferian appetites of the West, which claims dominance and leadership in all of humanity, and placing it in its rightful provincial place. This will be another province of the world, and not a metropolis. This is the most important thing. But this does not mean creating a bipolar world. We are simply putting the West in its place. We are elevating other blocs. We can have excellent relations with some, and worse relations with others. But it is necessary to recognize the right of all civilizations, all peoples, all cultures to build their own societies, according to their own patterns. After all, today we live in an absolutely colonial world. Look, the economy. We are the ones saying: the market, liberalism, free trade have no alternative. This is what the West taught us, this is its colonial strategy in the economy. We say: there must be democracy, but how can we do without democracy? Where did we get this democracy from? This is a new, innovative invention of the modern West, which supposedly has some prerequisites in Greece. They themselves say today that democracy was combined with slavery and very strict segregation there. Even metics, people who were not born in one city, were not considered citizens in the full sense. This is if we take the Greek example. They came up with it, and this is colonization.
When we say "democracy" - colonization, human rights - this is a colonial ideology. The West came up with this way to circumvent national legislation in order to help some person who is not a citizen of some country, simply because it is profitable for the West. We accepted it. Civil society, progress, development, technology, artificial intelligence, posthumanism. And here - LGBT, transgender people. These are all signs of progress and development. The West has introduced all this into all of humanity. And now we need to get rid of it. This is the goal of everyone - both Russians and Chinese. And if someone has not yet gone far on this path, well, so be it, but it is decolonization.
And Modi, the Prime Minister of India, has called on his society to decolonize the Indian consciousness. He seems to be a partner of the West, but he understands that decoupling is necessary.
V. Alfimov:
- It’s interesting, Alexander Gelyevich, that what you are talking about is much greater equality than the equality that is imposed on us in the West.
A. Dugin:
- This is not equality at all, this is Western dictatorship under the guise of so-called democracy. We really stand for an equal organization of humanity, that every representative of any civilization and culture can have the full right to build what he wants. Both the economy and politics. And no one will come and say: you are not observing something. Do you think that it is? It means that it is observed. If your society is dissatisfied, you will be torn down and another one will be built. That's all.
V. Alfimov:
- What should we do with demography? What should we do with childbirth? Without people, we won't be able to develop even our own land. We won't be able to hold on to our territories, we won't be able to develop. Should we ban abortions, go to the village, forcibly resettle people to the village? That way we'll end up in the Middle Ages.
A. Dugin:
- First of all, look, we are used to talking about the Middle Ages in a derogatory sense, because the era of progress that came to replace the Middle Ages has brought about an absolutely black legend in relation to this era. We look at the past as something disgusting, we see completely dirty scraps, unhappy peasants who drag their beards drunk down dirty village streets. But in fact, we had a flourishing Russian civilization. And the Western Middle Ages were absolutely amazing, colorful, deep, intellectual. Degradation is us, it is today. Dark times, a dark era is our era, and not the era that preceded us. This is where we should start. And that is what we say.
Abortions are forbidden in all religious cultures. If we allow abortions, we sign up for the fact that we do not believe in God or religion. Abortions in a religious society are simply impossible. They are not carried out on principle, it is murder. It is even more frightening because an unfortunate little person is simply deprived of life by the will of some individual. And life is not given by this individual, life is given by God. And in a religious context, the reverse is impossible.
As for life on earth. We still say today: household. We don’t say “apartment economy”. In urban conditions, it is impossible to have children in significant numbers anywhere, in any culture. This is a sociological pattern. For example, large families in the third world, somewhere in Indonesia, move from the village, where there were just 20-30 children in a family, to the city. In the first generation, they also give birth to seven or eight people. In the second - three. The third generation gives birth to one and I have no one at all. Because it is inconvenient, because it is an apartment, because it is a limited area, because everyone works, and you need to live well. The city kills demography. We will not even be able to talk seriously about demography until we start populating a one-story Russia, building a one-story Russia. And this is not enough either.
On the one hand, the resettlement of large cities, where a huge number of idlers and perverts have accumulated, unable to create a family or have children. But more than that, we must certainly change the psychology of these people, their moral character, because living on the land - firstly, children will immediately appear there. Secondly, there can be as many children as you like, because you can always buy a little land or get some extra. Secondly, people will be engaged in providing for themselves, at least at the level of food. And this is already a lot. Then food can be exchanged, carrots for some boots, and life will be like sour cream, life like raspberries. You can't think of anything better.
In fact, modern capitalism not only provides us with our needs, but also creates needs. It makes us want something, strive for it, lust for it. Something that we absolutely do not need. The entire industry is built on this. We are generally overwhelmed with such a quantity of infinitely unnecessary things. We crave them, we strive for them, we look. If we are richer, we look, the neighbor has a house one floor higher, or another hectare. And this is an absolutely futile, dead form of existence that kills life, culture, human dignity. And, of course, if we want to solve the demographic problem, from the style that is dominant here now, and this is the Western style, this is a purely Western influence, we must carry out demographic decoupling.
Then, look, we are afraid to say, to call a spade a spade, that it is impossible to replenish the demographics of the Russian people with the help of migrants. The Russian people are degenerating much faster than official statistics show, because migrants are taken into account, their number and birth rate, among them. And they appear in cities at most in the second, or even in the first generation. Therefore, everything is fine with their demographics at the first stage, this is at the second stage... And any Muslim, any Tajik, Uzbek, who ends up in Moscow or St. Petersburg, in the third generation he will have no children or will have one child. He will become exactly the same city dweller as everyone else. But today this is an absolutely monstrous, catastrophic figure.
What do we need? We need to tell the Russian people: Russian people, if you want to be, if you want to stay at the level of the heroic deeds of your ancestors, change your orientation. We need to appeal to our people, we need to talk about the value of the Russian family. About the value of the family as a whole. This is absolutely not a reproach to anyone. But the Russian family is a particularly big problem, because the Russian family was deliberately destroyed over the last hundred years, first by Bolshevik experiments, then by liberal ones. One hundred years of genocide of the Russian people. In principle, under normal conditions there should have been half a billion of us by now. We were exterminated, first of all Russians were exterminated, because they were the bearers of that line, those values, which opposed modernism, opposed both the socialist, Marxist version, and opposed liberalism, especially.
And this debt to our people, who are the foundation of our state, the builder. This is reflected in the Constitution and in the presidential decrees. And we must repay them this debt. And those Russian victims that we laid on the altar of history must be replenished. Absolutely not at the expense of someone else, without humiliating their dignity. Look, if we meet a large Islamic family in Moscow, this irritates the locals. But it should not be like this. It should be: look how great they are. And where are my five other children here? Why am I getting married at 30, when it is time to retire, while not planning to start a family and raise children, and, for example, getting divorced. This is an absolutely individualistic approach that has destroyed the self-awareness of our people. Our people must understand that marriage is a sacrament, marriage is a duty, marriage is a mission. Family is an art, family is a huge, important matter. And you have no chance. First, try not to make a mistake, and that's it. Irreversibly. Not only a ban on abortions, not only the resettlement of cities, but also the complication of divorces. A completely different attitude towards Russian families. They should not be singled out, there should be no discrimination. Everyone should be helped. But psychologically, we must pull our people out, namely the Russians, who are the core of our state, who suffered more than others during these hundred-year experiments, we must forcibly pull them out of the demographic hole in which they found themselves, into which they fell.
And there is no need to be afraid of this. Why are we afraid of this? Because we have not decoupled. Because we are afraid to say the word "Russian". Look how they still shy away from this. Here the Shaman sings, and the whole nation sings along. The nation is normal. But look at some intellectual, or a man of the intelligentsia, at a university, it's just a show, clucking: how is that possible? He sings. This is dangerous nationalism. And LGBT - isn't it dangerous? No, LGBT is great.
V. Alfimov:
- You remember very well, just recently, literally 5-10 years ago, T-shirts with the words "I am Russian" appeared in the right-wing fan environment. And for these T-shirts, if they did not put people in jail, then they were very strongly oppressed. Simply for T-shirts that said "I am Russian".
A. Dugin:
- It would be interesting to see the people who do all this. They have been torturing our people for a hundred years, conducting absolutely murderous statistical experiments. And when we start to come to our senses, suddenly no one is there. As if there were no such court decisions, as if Article 282 was not applied. As if a huge number of our intelligentsia did not scream at the top of their lungs as soon as someone raised the issue of patriotism. They even tried to identify the word "patriotism" with fascism in the 90s. And these actions have an author, their own support group. I understand that many simply ran away from the country.
V. Alfimov:
- And some have already been exchanged.
A. Dugin:
- Yes, they are the same, actually. Let's exchange them too. We probably still have some intelligence officers. Let's gather all sorts of pro-Western human rights activists, these fighters against Russian nationalism, and exchange them for someone too. For wonderful people, for heroes, for intelligence officers, for truly valuable personnel. And, indeed, now, somewhere I read on Telegram, "to be a warrior is to live forever, to be a liberal - maybe they will exchange you." We have two choices in our country. To be a warrior is to live forever, to be a liberal - maybe they will exchange you. And those people who demonized Russian self-awareness, I understand that there are extreme forms, ugly forms of nationalism, racism, chauvinism, xenophobia. This is disgusting. But pay attention, this is anti-Russian. This is the opposite of our cultural code. We have never been like this. Racism is genetically in us, it's just in our genes - absolute nonsense. A Russian person is an anti-racist.
We are born and brought up in a culture of opponents of the racist approach. For us, an open heart is what it means to be Russian. When we see a kind, good, sincere, courageous person, we say: but he is Russian. He says: excuse me, I am an Arab. Well, you are Russian anyway. Why? We do not look at the skin, not at the language, we look at the moral character. And we believe that a person with a high moral character is one of us. And not one of us is already that, even among ourselves, among Russians, pure-blooded Russian people, when we see such corrupt cattle, we say: he cannot be Russian. And we begin to say further that someone has mixed with him. But not from another people. Someone from a non-Russian spirit has mixed with him. He does not smell of the Russian spirit. A non-Russian creature has settled in.
Therefore, it is very important here, of course, not to punish anyone, in my opinion, it is a thing of the past. But now we need to hand out these “I am Russian” T-shirts to everyone. And we especially need to hand them out to the Tatars, Bashkirs, not to everyone - whoever wants them. They will say: I am Russian too, I am a Russian Tatar. Well, he will write it with a pen on the T-shirt. If he wants, he will write it. If he wants, he will write “I am a Tatar”, and we will respect him, because he is a person who is absolutely wonderful, and our friend, together with him we are building a great state, and have been building it for many centuries.
V. Alfimov:
- Our guest was Alexander Dugin, a Russian philosopher.
Source: https://radiokp.ru/podcast/dialogi-na-radio-kp/740697