Chabad's Kabbalah narrative contradicts Genesis 6:4, claims fallen angels are actually good
Quote from Timothy Fitzpatrick on July 5, 2023, 12:44By Sholem Lugov
03-06-2018In the Shlach chapter (13:33), the words of the spies who returned from the Land of Israel are quoted: “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, from the giants.” Rashi explains that the word "giants" ("nephilim") literally means "those who fell." He believes that we are talking about giants from the sons of Shamhazai and Azael, who fell from heaven in the days of the generation of Enosh. According to the interpretation of RASHI, this phrase should be translated as follows: "We saw people who are called "fallen" - these are giants descending from those who fell from heaven." That is, the scouts saw giants who were the descendants of those who fell from the sky - Shamkhazai and Azael.
Sounds like fantasy. Could it have been aliens?
SPACE MAN?Let's take a closer look at the words at the beginning of the chapter "Bereishit" (6:4): "Giants were on the earth in those days, even after the sons of the mighty came in to the daughters of men, they gave birth to them. These are the heroes, who are eternally eminent men.
Who were the "sons of the mighty"? RASHI gives two opinions: the sons of rulers and judges (ie ordinary people, endowed with power) or angels who came as messengers of the Omnipresent. According to this view, angels could materialize and make contact with people. But there are many such examples in the Torah...
From the words of RASHI in Ch. "Shlakh" it is clear that the giants fell from the sky, although in the chapter "Bereishit" he wrote before that "they fell and caused the fall of the world" - they did not fall from the sky, but disappeared from the world. It also follows from this that they were not giants or descendants of angels, but ordinary people, as RASHI writes in his first, main commentary. Then the contradiction between these two comments is not clear.
The Rebbe King Moshiach explains (Likutei Sichot, Volume 28, p. 99) that when the scouts reported this information, they did not mean giants - people of enormous growth; according to them they were the descendants of angels who fell from heaven. Why did they do so?
At first the scouts said that they saw giants (13:28): “Only the mighty people that dwell on the earth, and the fortified cities are very great, and we also saw those generated by Anak there,” but after Kalev silenced them, they said new thing (13:33): "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, of the giants." Before that, they said: "We cannot oppose that people, for they are stronger than us." RASHI explains that they said this in relation to the Almighty (i.e. they blasphemed that the people on earth are stronger than G-d). They did not mean the physical data of the giants, but their heavenly origin, because otherwise no one would have taken their words seriously.
It is known from Kabbalah that these giants descended from heaven for a good purpose, but could not stay at this level and literally fell down. This was hinted at by the scouts who wanted to stay in the desert: in their opinion, the Jewish people would not be able to endure the tests in the material world in the Land of Israel, and they would fall from their high level, like the descendants of angels who fell from heaven, which were discussed in ch. "Bereishit".
To this was the answer that the Jews are different from them: "If the Lord favors us, then He will bring us to this earth." Jews are higher than angels. The Jews are part of the Almighty.
Now it is clear that there were no aliens on earth ...
Source: https://moshiach.ru/FAQ/torah/13994.html
By Sholem Lugov
03-06-2018
According to the interpretation of RASHI, this phrase should be translated as follows: "We saw people who are called "fallen" - these are giants descending from those who fell from heaven." That is, the scouts saw giants who were the descendants of those who fell from the sky - Shamkhazai and Azael.
Sounds like fantasy. Could it have been aliens?
Let's take a closer look at the words at the beginning of the chapter "Bereishit" (6:4): "Giants were on the earth in those days, even after the sons of the mighty came in to the daughters of men, they gave birth to them. These are the heroes, who are eternally eminent men.
Who were the "sons of the mighty"? RASHI gives two opinions: the sons of rulers and judges (ie ordinary people, endowed with power) or angels who came as messengers of the Omnipresent. According to this view, angels could materialize and make contact with people. But there are many such examples in the Torah...
From the words of RASHI in Ch. "Shlakh" it is clear that the giants fell from the sky, although in the chapter "Bereishit" he wrote before that "they fell and caused the fall of the world" - they did not fall from the sky, but disappeared from the world. It also follows from this that they were not giants or descendants of angels, but ordinary people, as RASHI writes in his first, main commentary. Then the contradiction between these two comments is not clear.
The Rebbe King Moshiach explains (Likutei Sichot, Volume 28, p. 99) that when the scouts reported this information, they did not mean giants - people of enormous growth; according to them they were the descendants of angels who fell from heaven. Why did they do so?
At first the scouts said that they saw giants (13:28): “Only the mighty people that dwell on the earth, and the fortified cities are very great, and we also saw those generated by Anak there,” but after Kalev silenced them, they said new thing (13:33): "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, of the giants." Before that, they said: "We cannot oppose that people, for they are stronger than us." RASHI explains that they said this in relation to the Almighty (i.e. they blasphemed that the people on earth are stronger than G-d). They did not mean the physical data of the giants, but their heavenly origin, because otherwise no one would have taken their words seriously.
It is known from Kabbalah that these giants descended from heaven for a good purpose, but could not stay at this level and literally fell down. This was hinted at by the scouts who wanted to stay in the desert: in their opinion, the Jewish people would not be able to endure the tests in the material world in the Land of Israel, and they would fall from their high level, like the descendants of angels who fell from heaven, which were discussed in ch. "Bereishit".
To this was the answer that the Jews are different from them: "If the Lord favors us, then He will bring us to this earth." Jews are higher than angels. The Jews are part of the Almighty.
Now it is clear that there were no aliens on earth ...
Quote from Ryan Augustine on July 5, 2023, 12:57https://www.catholic.com/qa/explaining-the-nephilim-of-genesis%5C
Insofar as I know the church doesn't have a teaching in the Nephilim, but the Church Father's believed that they were the result of mixing between the offspring of Cain and Seth, at least according to this article.
https://www.catholic.com/qa/explaining-the-nephilim-of-genesis%5C
Insofar as I know the church doesn't have a teaching in the Nephilim, but the Church Father's believed that they were the result of mixing between the offspring of Cain and Seth, at least according to this article.
Quote from Timothy Fitzpatrick on July 5, 2023, 13:07Quote from Ryan Augustine on July 5, 2023, 12:57https://www.catholic.com/qa/explaining-the-nephilim-of-genesis%5C
Insofar as I know the church doesn't have a teaching in the Nephilim, but the Church Father's believed that they were the result of mixing between the offspring of Cain and Seth, at least according to this article.
The Book of Enoch brings more clarity to the fallen nature of these angels and how they have been extremely bad for mankind.
Quote from Ryan Augustine on July 5, 2023, 12:57https://www.catholic.com/qa/explaining-the-nephilim-of-genesis%5C
Insofar as I know the church doesn't have a teaching in the Nephilim, but the Church Father's believed that they were the result of mixing between the offspring of Cain and Seth, at least according to this article.
The Book of Enoch brings more clarity to the fallen nature of these angels and how they have been extremely bad for mankind.