I have looked at the Commentary of Cornelius a Lapide regarding Mt. 16, 28 and he was of the opinion that it referred to the Holy Transfiguration; I agree, since after the verse the Evangelist wrote about the Transfiguration in which Peter, John and James beheld the glory of Christ’s Kingdom. It seems obvious to me now that the Transfiguration was mentioned after the verse because it fulfilled the words of Christ in that verse.

Your position straight out of Operation SIG.

Dan Frost: “It is the truth that Paul expected the second coming to take place in his own lifetime or the lifetime of his contemporaries. Every other interpretation is not valid.”

Saying that you are right does not make you right.

Dan Frost: “in no way does the passage specifically state that they will specifically see these events through visions.”

The verse does not explicitly say that some of the hearers would see the Parousia in visions but neither does it explicitly say that it is referring to the Parousia; some have been of the opinion that it referred to the miraculous extension and rise of the Catholic Church which took place after the Ascension. That something is not explicitly said does not mean that the meaning is excluded.

The way in which you approach texts is erroneous. Do you go to some book author and have a conversation like this? :

“I have read your book and here you contradicted what you said there.”

“Oh no, I did not mean this here that way; what I meant was such and so.”

“No! You clearly meant what I said it means, because you did not explicitly write what you are now saying.”

“I did not explicitly write it that way but it is what I meant.”

“You are just reinterpreting because you do not want to admit the contradiction!”

Dan Frost: “are so vague that it can be interpreted in any sort of fashion.”

No, Daniel’s prophecies are clear; the book spoke of four world dominions, the Assyrian, the Medo-Persian, the Grecian and the Roman, and during the fourth (the Roman) the Kingdom of God was going to be founded on earth. The angelic lord Gabriel even gave the time in which Christ was going to be born in year-weeks. The Judeans at the time of Christ’s birth knew that Daniel referred to their days and even in Rome that was known but it was erroneously thought there that it referred to imminent military conquest by Judeans.

Dan Frost: “About 2 Peter 3, yes the verse is in the future tense, but however since Hebrew 1 proves that the early Christians believe that they were living in the last lays it was something to be expect for the near-future.”

Hebrews 1 does not prove that the apostles believed they were living in the last days. And Saint Peter said that the scoffers were going to say that after the fathers passed away things had remained the same; he was clearly not speaking of a near future when those fathers were still alive.

Dan Frost: “The Gospels were written over 100 years after the time of Christ, The Acts and Pauls epistles were the first Christian documents to be written.”

Modernists claim such things but are never able to give proof because their claims are false. The Jews sowed rationalism to draw peoples in Europe away from the supernatural faith, weakening them. Now that they are utterly degenerate and ruined they seek to racially destroy them and to crown their antichrist.

Western secularism and atheism are children of clandestine Judah; atheists who pretend to oppose the Jews are therefore not serious because their false world view was shaped by those whom they call their enemies.

Dan Frost: “He does not attribute his preaching to any written gospel, not once did he ever mention or quote the written gospel.”

The apostles were not Sola Scriptura protestants; protestantism arose in the 16th century. Saint Mark wrote his gospel and had it approved by Saint Peter to take it to Alexandria using it to spread Christianity there, but the Evangelium was already being preached before the first of the four gospels was written. That Saint Paul does not mention a written gospel by name does not mean that there were none.

And the word “almah” does not exclude the Virgin Birth; according to Saint Jerome the word referred etymologically to a concealed virgin, concealed from the sight of men, and he knew ancient Hebrew.

But even a description of a young woman who has reached the age of matrimony and childbearing would not exclude the Virgin Birth, for a young woman who lives in consecrated virginity does not cease to be a young woman because she refuses to be wedded, and classically unwedded young women were called virgins, for fornication was forbidden and they remained in virginity until they were wedded. The word “almah” can be used for a consecrated virgin, so it does not exclude the Virgin Birth of Christ. In the Latin the word “virgo” is used.

Regarding martyrs of whom only later accounts survive; in ancient times oral traditions often preceded written accounts, but that does not mean that such history is false. Also, in tumultuous times existing written texts can be lost. Ancient heathens did not contest the miracles in the way that modern atheists do but they blasphemed them.

When Julian the apostate wanted the Jews to build a temple to insult Christ God hindered the work with fire; Ammianus Marcellinus wrote about balls of fire bursting forth making the place inaccessible to the workmen. Such things were very public, not quietly hidden in corners.

It is the truth that Paul expected the second coming to take place in his own lifetime or the lifetime of his contemporaries. Every other interpretation is not valid.

Second of all I do not care what you Catholic priest says, I know more about the Bible than most theologians do regardless of their denomination. They are either just as decieved as their congregation or they themselves are obviously only in it for the money like Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and his son, T.D Jakes, John Hagee, and not to mention Jimmy “I have sinned against you lord” Swaggart.

“Regarding Mt. 16, 28 there have been different opinions; I, personally, believe it referred to seeing the Parousia in holy visions, for the apostle John beheld the returning of Christ in holy vision and wrote what he had seen in the book of Apocalypse.”

Again this is cope and an Ad Hoc fallacy because in no way does the passage specifically state that they will specifically see these events through visions. The language used here is does not ever imply such a conclusion and such a conclusion is nothing more than desparation to protect the reputation of a failed apocalyptic prophet.

The Daniel prophcies are so vague that it can be interpreted in any sort of fashion. One of the criterias for a prophecy is that it must leave no room for interpretation.

About 2 Peter 3, yes the verse is in the future tense, but however since Hebrew 1 proves that the early Christians believe that they were living in the last lays it was something to be expect for the near-future.

The Gospels were written over 100 years after the time of Christ, The Acts and Pauls epistles were the first Christian documents to be written.

In Galatians 1:11-12 Paul says:

“For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.”

He does not attribute his preaching to any written gospel, not once did he ever mention or quote the written gospel.

Other concepts that are also missing from paul’s preaching include the virgin birth because a man so knowledgable in the Hebrew language would not have made the false claim that Isaiah 7:14 somehow predicted a virgin birth because עַלְמָה (almah) can NEVER mean a virgin in anyway. Παρθένος (parthenos) does actually mean virgin.

Paul has never even met Jesus in person, but only claimed to have heared voices of him saying “Saul why are you persecuting me?”.

An example of an martyrdom account that takes place after it purportedly happened was the account of Margaret of Antioch. She apparently lived in the late 3rd and early 4th century A.D, but however earliest accounts of her story did not even exist until the 9th century.

St Sebastian who apparently lived in the late 3rd century under Emperor Diocletian was not even mentioned until the mid 4th century.

Of course jehovah’s witnesses are one of the results of the Catholic church losing the monopoly on Biblical interpretation in the western nations. The Bible and the Quran are literally the book versions of Pandora’s box.

Kerenibus, the Brits did bad things, of course. My article was not meant to make them out to be angels. Likewise, the Catholic Church has done bad things, but she is still God’s Church and He uses her to carry out his will.

Hi Timothy

I keep track of this site, and although I have never commented, I appreciate the information I gather here – because I believe that we have been deceived for centuries…and it’s ongoing.

I am Scottish and I have relatives in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand – on both sides of my parents.

Those of us, in our family, who have remained in Scotland have not moved more than five miles from our original homes, to which we arrived, from Flanders and/or France, in the 17th and 18th Centuries…and the case of the Drummonds, possibly 1000 years ago.

I am a Drummond (Drumon – Kievan Rus), Fraser (Frizell, which is a Jewish name) and Frame (of whom there are very few – but we have very dark hair and green eyes). A St Andrews University project says that we were Flemish weavers. But, I can find no history, before 1736. It would seem that they were always sea-farers, right up until my grandfather and his brothers. They all went to sea. It’s not something that you would expect weavers to do.

The Drummonds and Frasers all ended up stuck, by Royal Decree, in the coal-pits from 1706 until 1795. The coal-pit owner owned them and their children and their children’s children throughout those years.

I suppose this all depends upon the definition of the word, ‘Slavery’.

My other grandmother was an Anderson. She came from a family in Sutherland – the epi-centre of the, ‘Highland Clearances’, where up to 4,500 families were burnt out of their homes, every day, until they’d cleared the lot – for sheep.

We are taught that this was, ‘Agricultural Improvement’.

Those families made their ways to the textile factories in the cities…or to the colonies, as slaves (basically) until they’d paid off their debt of passage.

Others in my family tree emigrated, voluntarily, in the 20thC.

The Colonies were, always, managed by the TPTB and populated by people who’d been displaced.

Dan Frost: “I never said that Christian aesthetics did not exist in the first century, what I did say was that ORGANIZED aestheticism did not exist until the 2nd or 3rd century.”

The word is “asceticism”, and consecrated virgins were literally an order. The monks of Saint Elias were an order. But even without organisation the essence of religious life would still have been there, namely a higher way of life, detached from earthly things, for the sake of the Kingdom of God. This was encouraged by the holy apostles and by their successors after their death, so it was not because they thought the Parousia would come imminently. The three evangelical counsels were obedience, evangelical poverty and perfect chastity, and the apostles lived according to them; the three counsels are thus the apostolic way of life and they are the core of consecrated religious life. The apostles were monks.

The false claim that Saint Paul would have preached asceticism because he anticipated the Parousia to take place in his lifetime comes from modernistic exegesis which was intended to subvert the Church. The priestly writer Emmanuel Barbier wrote on the subject in his work “Les infiltrations maçonniques dans l’Église” (1910), “The masonic infiltrations in the Church”. You are deceived by the lies of judeo-masonry; you interpret the texts falsely because you have been conditioned to do so.

Dan Frost: “2 Peter Chapter 3 is literally an ad hoc chapter as to explain why the prophecies are not coming true.”

You are in error; St. Peter was not talking about scoffers in his own days but scoffers then still in the future; in the text the future tense is used and it says that the scoffers were going to say that the fathers had passed away without the Parousia taking place, so he clearly was not referring to his own days. Peter was still alive when writing the epistle, and so were Paul and John, and Christ Himself had prophesied Peter’s martyrdom, so a Parousia during the lifetime of those who had seen and heard Christ would not have been too late at that time.

Regarding Mt. 16, 28 there have been different opinions; I, personally, believe it referred to seeing the Parousia in holy visions, for the apostle John beheld the returning of Christ in holy vision and wrote what he had seen in the book of Apocalypse.

Regarding Hebrews 1, 2; the Clementine Vulgate version says “novissime, diebus istis”, “lastly, in these days”. I am a Catholic and thus hold that only the traditional canonical Latin text must be used for exegesis, but even so the last times in a broad sense began with the Incarnation because it is the latter part of the ages of the world, whereas the last days in a strict sense are the time shortly before the seventh millennium of the world.

There were Christians in the early centuries who thought that Christ would return in the first millennium of the Incarnation, but that was because of the erroneous Greek time-reckoning which set the beginning of the seventh millennium around 800 AD and which was retained in the Martyrologium Romanum into modern times.

The Fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD proves the prophecies of Christ to be true, for He foretold it, and the book of Daniel prophesied that Christ would be born during the Roman dominion in the world and it presented the Kingdom which He would found (the Catholic Church) as a stone that would become a mountain, which was fulfilled in the growth and invincibility of the Catholic Church.

Dan Frost: “try to rationalize the failed predictions of their founder Charle Taze Russell”

His sect repeatedly proclaimed dates on which according to them things would happen and they did not. You cannot cite one biblical text which says that the Parousia would take place in 55 AD, so do not falsely compare the holy apostles to that sect.

Dan Frost: “Most of the maytrdom accounts were written hundred of years after”

Ecclesiastical notarii literally witnessed martyrdoms and wrote down what they saw; you clearly do not know much about ecclesiastical history and quick internet searches will not conceal such ignorance.

The Pre-Nicene Christians had to reintrepret Paul’s words after his predictions failed.

I never said that Christian aesthetics did not exist in the first century, what I did say was that ORGANIZED aestheticism did not exist until the 2nd or 3rd century.

Paul wanted discoraged people from marriage and children because he wanted to hasten the second coming of Jesus Christ in the hopes that it would happen in his own lifetime and in the lifetime of his contemporaries.

The Bible says “My people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge.” – Hosea 4:6

Not all Protestant Bibles are based upon the Masoretic text, some Protestants use the Apstolic Bible Polyglot, which I myself used for some time when I was a believer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Bible_Polyglot

2 Peter Chapter 3 is literally an ad hoc chapter as to explain why the prophecies are not coming true.

“Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom (Matt. 16:27–28).”

“knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” – 2 Peter 3:3-4

That verse proves that some Christians were having doubts about the words of Jesus in Matthew 16:27-28. Did the early Christians believe that they were living in the last days?

Absolutely:

“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but IN THESE LAST DAYS he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.” -Hebrew 1:1-2

2 Peter 3 is in the context of the 1st century believers having doubts. Jesus Christ was nothing more than a failed apocalyptic prophet once you fully understand the context of the New Testament. Jehovah’s Witnesses try to rationalize the failed predictions of their founder Charle Taze Russell that Jesus would return in 1914.

Most of the maytrdom accounts were written hundred of years after the proported event or were copied from real life stories of marytrs. The fictional story of Catherine of Alexandria was copied from the true story of Hypatia of Alexandria. There are no such thing as miracles, only mathematically low probability events.